Is there a supernatural dimension, a world beyond the one we know? Is there life after death?
Do angels exist? Can our dreams contain messages from Heaven? Can we tap into ancient
secrets of the supernatural? Are healing miracles real? Sid Roth has spent over 35 years
researching the strange world of the supernatural. Join Sid for this edition of It’s Supernatural.
SID: I'm Sid Roth. Welcome to my world where it's naturally supernatural. My guest is an expert
in terrorism and he is going to speak about secret papers that have been found that show for the
plans of terrorist organizations to destroy the United States of America, and it won't be a secret
any more. My guest, Eric Stakelbeck, is one of the foremost experts in terrorism. And you've
probably seen Eric on CNN or on Fox, or a number of different shows in which he's a resource
for what's going on the world. But the thing that just absolutely astounds me is I knew something
about a terrorist group called the Muslim Brotherhood, but I had no idea, Eric. Tell me a bit
about the Muslim Brotherhood. Why does the media, our administration, posture them as
moderate? What's the reason?
ERICK: Sid, first of all, their tactics. They dress like you and I. They wear suits and ties. They
are eloquent. They are Western educated. They speak fluent English. This is not Al-Qaeda.
These are not the guys with the flowing beards and the robes, and the AK-47s. The Muslim
Brotherhood are very charming, Sid, and I've interviewed them face to face. I've been in their
homes. I've been in their mosques. I've been in their offices. And Sid, if I didn't know any better,
I would actually like them. They are quite charming. But that charming façade and veneer hides
a sinister agenda, Sid. And at the end of the day, they share the same goals as Al-Qaeda.
SID: But you know what it reminds of, as you're sharing this, Eric, the KKK. They used to wear
the robes and now they put on business suits. Are they college educated? Are they bright?
ERICK: Yes. Sid, not only are they college educated, many of them have been educated in the
West, in the United States, in Europe. People would be shocked to know about the Muslim
Brotherhood presence in the United States. Sid, they are here. I'll give you a great example.
Mohammed Morsi, the now deposed Egyptian president, he joined the Muslim Brotherhood, not
in Egypt, but in the United States, in California when he was a student at USC, the University of
Southern California. That's where Mohammed Morsi became a Muslim brother. Sid, they are
here in the United States.
SID: Now you say they're a new breed beyond the suit. They're raising homegrown terrorists.
What do you mean?
ERICK: Sid, we've seen case after case over the past few years in the United States, dozens of
cases, young American Muslims, U.S. citizens being arrested on terrorism charges. Sid, I'll give
you great example of this Muslim Brotherhood style link and how they're really the driving force
behind all the Islamic terror we see today. The Boston bombers, those two young brothers up in
Boston, killed three people, wounded 264 more. Sid, they attended a mosque in the Boston area
controlled by a Muslim Brotherhood linked group. Surprise, surprise.
SID: I heard in the news that the Muslim Brotherhood has been out to the White House at least a
hundred times in the last calendar year.
ERICK: Sid, Muslim Brotherhood-connected individuals, individuals with strong ties to the
global Muslim Brotherhood network absolutely are advising our government, the U.S.
government on its counter-terrorism and Middle East policies. This is the epitome of the fox
guarding the hen house. And you wonder why America's Middle East policies right now are kind
of a mess and we see all this chaos in the Middle East. We have the bad guys, the Brotherhood,
in the halls of power in our lawmakers' ears.
SID: All right. You used the phrase, that the granddaddy of all terrorism. Do you really mean
that, Eric?
ERICK: Sid, I mean it 100 percent. All of the terrorist chaos, the madness we see today, the war
on terror, Al-Qaeda, Hamas, spawned by the Muslim Brotherhood, Sid, Al-Qaeda is an offshoot
of the Brotherhood. Hamas is an offshoot of the Brotherhood. Sid, I made the point many times
that without the creation of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt in 1928, there would have been no
9-11. I say that without hesitation. It may shock some people. But everyone behind the 9-11
attack, Sid, the American people need to know this, why this group is so important, the
Brotherhood. Osama Bin Laden, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the hijackers, every last one of
them, Sid, before they joined, before they formed Al-Qaeda, they belonged to the Muslim
Brotherhood. The Brotherhood is really the gateway drug to Islamic terrorism and jihad.
SID: What is going on in America? I see mosques just sprouting up all over.
ERICK: Sid, this is not a coincidence. I'm so glad you brought this up. Because the number of
mosques in America, a lot of viewers might not be aware of this, the number of mosques in
America has actually doubled since 2000, since the year 2000. Now if you look at the Muslim
Brotherhood strategic documents, and by the way, Sid, these mosques are not just in New York
City, Chicago, Los Angeles, areas with large Muslim populations. They're popping up in the
Bible belt, taking overseas funding. Why, Sid, if you have such a small Muslim community, why
do you need such a large sprawling mosque complex? The imams, and I've interviewed them,
they can answer, and they also can answer where the money is coming from.
SID: Okay. Why did they need so many in these small areas?
ERICK: Sid, if you look at the Muslim Brotherhood strategic documents, and by the way,
people might be shocked to know that our government, the U.S. government has the Muslim
Brotherhood's documents in its possession. The secret documents that I've written about, long
story short, during the raid of the leading Muslim Brotherhood operatives, just outside of
Washington, D.C., 10 minutes from our capitol, this guy had set up shop, the FBI raided his
home, they uncovered these secret Muslim Brotherhood documents that outline a strategy to
"destroy western civilization, America, from within." And one way they're going to do that, Sid,
according to their own documents, is to build mosques from coast to coast. This is a central
tenant of the Brotherhood's strategic plan to subvert America from within.
SID: And how come there's these schools of Islam springing up at major universities? I mean,
how does Harvard have a school of Islam? It used to be a Jewish university? How does
Georgetown, a Catholic university, have these schools?
ERICK: It's the money, Sid. Look at the money trail. This Georgetown Islamic branch at
Georgetown University, a Catholic university, $20 million. Harvard, $20 million. Came from the
same man, a Saudi prince, and the Saudis are the main purveyors, you would say of spreading
radical Islam worldwide. And it's very interesting. They have billions of dollars in these petro
dollars, Sid, with this oil empire they have in Saudi Arabia. And they are missionaries in many
ways, spreading Islam throughout Europe, throughout America, billions and billions of dollars
over the past few decades. And they have worked with the Muslim Brotherhood, by the way. The
Saudis provide the money. The Brotherhood provides the imams and the ideologues at these
mosques. That has been the blueprint, traditionally, very interesting strategy that they have.
SID: One last question. Is it true that the Koran says, when you're small, when Islam is small, be
peace-loving. Once you get larger, take over.
ERICK: This is the example Mohammed said. It's absolutely true. Mohammed was not a
political leader. When he was just a struggling so called prophet in the city of Mecca,
Mohammed was more conciliatory towards Jews and Christians. He wanted to win them to his
side. Later on in his career, Sid, he went to the city of Medina, became a warrior, a political
leader. All of a sudden, his so called revelations changed and became more violent and more
intolerant of Christians and Jews. Once Mohammed gained the power, he became much more
intolerant and violent towards non-Muslims.
SID: Now before we get the secret documents to take over the United States and Europe by the
Muslim Brotherhood that have been uncovered, I believe it was the Swiss that found these secret
documents, tell me a bit about the history of the Muslim Brotherhood.
ERICK: Well Sid, from the beginning of this group, the Muslim Brotherhood, they have been
steeped in violence and the ideology of martyrdom, dying for Allah. Their founding creed reads
in part, "Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope." This is their motto.
SID: Stop for a second. Moderate? How do you call that moderate? I don't get it, Eric.
ERICK: You know, they say—
SID: It's not a Democratic line. It's not a Republican line. Both Republicans and Democrats
called them moderate.
ERICK: Without a doubt.
SID: Is that still their goal?
ERICK: Yes. Sid, that goal, and when Muslim Brotherhood leaders darken the halls of the
White House today, that remains their motto. They've never changed it since 1928, when they
were founded. "Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope." And Sid, from
the beginning of this organization, founded in Egypt in 1928, seven members, within 20 years, it
grew to within one and two million members, within only 20 years of its founding. From the
beginning, they lived up to that motto, Sid. They harassed the Jews of Egypt. They worked in
particular with the Nazis. They worked, Sid, the Muslim Brotherhood, with Hitler's war machine
to extend the Final Solution from Europe to the Jews of the Middle East and North Africa. The
Brotherhood actually sent battalions, when Israel was miraculously reborn in 1948, the
Brotherhood sent battalions to fight against the new Jewish state. They assassinated Egyptian
leaders, assassinated an Egyptian Prime Minister. This is an organization steeped in violence
who, by the way, Sid, not only did they spawn Al-Qaeda, but Hamas, which has killed American
citizens, which kills Jewish women and children on a daily basis, they self-identify themselves as
the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. Hamas is the Muslim Brotherhood.
SID: Now were they involved in the assassination of Sadat?
ERICK: Muslim Brotherhood absolutely, Sid. In 1981, former Egyptian President Anwar Sadat,
Muslim Brotherhood members participated in the killing of Sadat a few years after he struck that
peace treaty between Egypt and Israel.
SID: That was the reason.
ERICK: That was the reason, Sid. The Brotherhood never let him live it down and they had a
bulls eye on his back.
SID: Okay. Tell me about the secret documents to totally destroy the United States.
ERICK: Well you have two. It's very interesting, Sid. You have, on one hand, documents found
in North America outside of Washington, as we were discussing. But then you have The Project.
That's a document that you referenced, discovered by Swiss authorities right after 9-11. Now
Swiss authorities conducted a raid of a leading Brotherhood operative's home in a luxurious villa,
I might add. These guys, again, they're living the high life in many cases. And this document has
become known as The Project. And what it is, is a Muslim Brotherhood secret plan to dominate
Europe, dominate America. And what they're going to do, Sid, is mass immigration, number one,
proselytizing, number two. Number three, building mosques across Europe, across America, and
number four, key point here, Sid, get jobs in the halls of power, in the media, academia,
government. We're seeing it in Europe. We're seeing it in the U.S. Also working with likeminded,
perhaps not ideologically similar, but the left, for instance, in Europe and America, we
see the Brotherhood working closely with the left.
SID: Now wait a second. Political left is not going to be aligned with someone that wants to kill
homosexuals. I mean, no, it doesn't make sense, Eric.
ERICK: Sid, it makes no sense. Strange bedfellows. Everyone at home is probably thinking the
left will be first ones with their heads on the chopping block if Islamic Sharia Law came into
power. But here's the sticking point.
SID: Is that their goal?
ERICK: That is their goal. Sharia Law for one and all whether we like it or not.
SID: What's going to happen, bottom line, to women?
ERICK: Well there will be no women's rights and every woman from small rural —
SID: How does the far left get together with them?
ERICK: Sid, it makes, our heads might explode here on set trying to wrap our heads around this.
Here's the deal, Sid, and here's the key point people at home need to remember. Why would
radical Islamists who want Sharia Law and hard core radical leftists who want, I guess, a Marxist
utopia, why would they work together? They seem like strange bedfellows. Sid, they share a
common foe: Judeo-Christian Western civilization. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, that
old adage. They hate traditional America, traditional Judeo-Christian Western civilization, which
is based on the Ten Commandments. They hate it so much. They hate the name of Yeshua, Jesus,
so much that they will work together at least in the short term to chip away at traditional America
and traditional Western civilization.
SID: When we come back from the break, I want to find out about the next war in the Middle
East. I also want you to realize a man by the name of Adolf Hitler wrote a book called "Mein
Kampf," in which he outlined everything he was going to do. No one took him serious. We have
an outline of what the Muslim Brotherhood is planning their strategy. Let's take them serious.
SID: 2008, you're in my favorite city in the world, Jerusalem, at the Western Wall, and God
speaks to you. What did He tell you?
ERICK: Well Sid, my favorite city in the world as well, and my first time ever in Israel. I set
foot in Jerusalem, a lifelong dream. I'm looking at the Western Wall. God has never spoken to
me audibly yet, but He's spoken to my heart, and that day He spoke to my heart in a powerful
way. And He said three words, Sid, clearly: "Help my people." And there was not a doubt in my
mind he meant the Jewish people, not only in Israel, but around the world. And all of a sudden,
Sid, my whole life began to make sense. Why am I in this field of counter-terrorism, anti-jihad?
Why am I doing this, why in my whole life do I have Jewish friends, coaches, mentors in my
life? Why this lifelong passion for Israel, when my father was a Christian Zionist who taught me
to love Israel and the land of Israel, why? Finally, it all made sense to me as I was in Jerusalem
and God spoke to my heart in a powerful way.
SID: Okay. What will trigger the next war in the Middle East?
ERICK: Three potential triggers, Sid, and here they are. Number one, the ongoing chaos in
Egypt, which our good friends the Muslim Brotherhood are in the middle of. That chaos in Egypt
could spill over Egypt's borders, pull in Israel. Then we have Syria, Israel's other neighbor, a
hundred thousand people at this point, Sid, killed in that civil war in Syria, that could spill over,
pull Israel and Syria's neighbors in. The third and most likely trigger, Sid, beyond Egypt, beyond
Syria and probably the most likely, Iran's nuclear weapons program. Iran is very, very close to
acquiring a nuclear bomb.
SID: Okay. Israel doesn't want this for obvious reasons.
ERICK: Yes.
SID: Why is the U.S. dragging their feet?
ERICK: They believe, Sid, that we can negotiate with the Iranians. We can talk to these guys.
They're diplomatic. We can talk them down from the nuclear ledge, Sid, and talk some reason
with the Iranians.
SID: Why is that impossible, in your opinion?
ERICK: Their ideology, Sid. You can't discuss Iran without discussing their ideology. What is
that ideology? It's an ideology of martyrdom, of ushering in the End Times, the return of the
Islamic Messiah. Sid, I'll give you a great example. This might shock everyone at home. During
the 1980s, the Iran-Iraq war, a million people killed. The Iranian mullahs, the same guys in
charge of that country now, sent thousands of young Iranian boys, as young as 10 years old, to
clear mine fields. They put plastic keys around their necks, Sid, and told them, "These are the
keys to paradise. If you just clear that mind field, kill yourself, tonight you'll be in paradise with
Allah." I'm sorry, Sid, I don't think you can negotiate with people who put such a low value on a
human life as this Iranian regime does.
SID: So what is their plan with these nuclear bombs, that they're just literally months away from
having developed?
ERICK: Sid, their plan, number one, is to wipe Israel off the map. But American viewers
especially need to understand, in the Iranian ideology, Israel is only the little Satan. It's America
that is the great Satan and the ultimate prize. America has a bulls eye on its back, Sid. Once Iran
is done with Israel, and I've read the Bible, so I know that's not going to happen. But if Iran were
to succeed in its plans to wipe Israel off the map, they wouldn't just pack up their bags and go,
Sid. They'd come for America, they'd come for us, people need to understand that Israel is the
first line of defense for Western civilization. Really they're the canary in the coal mind in this
fight against radical Islam.
SID: Okay. Does Iran have this new EMP technology?
ERICK: This is a scary thing that they have tested, Sid. EMP stands for electromagnetic pulse.
And what that is, it sounds almost like a science fiction movie. But what they would do is fire a
nuclear missile into the atmosphere above the United States. The missile detonates above a city,
say, New York City, Washington, D.C., and it fries everything below, Sid. The electrical grid is
fried. Your car won't run. Your cell phone won't work. We're back in the 1800s. Iran has tested
this technology. Russia, China, North Korea, all working with it. And our government on Capitol
Hill, Sid, there has not been the will to harden our electrical grid to guard against this kind of
attack.
SID: How does oil play into all this?
ERICK: Well at the end of the day, as we know, the Muslim world controls a good amount of
the world's oil supply. And the scary thing is, I'll give you two examples, Sid. Number one, the
Suez Canal in Egypt, now a good amount of the world's oil passes through the Middle East every
day on its way to America and Europe. So if that Suez Canal were shut down by terrorists, that
affects the whole global economy. Everyone watching this show right now would feel it in their
pocketbook, feel it every time they go to the oil and gas pump. Oil and gas prices would
skyrocket. The global economy would take a major hit if that Suez Canal is shut down. And the
other thing to keep in mind with OPEC, mainly Muslim nations, if this Islamic, I call it, I don't
just call it, history calls it a caliphate, Islamic caliphate, a United Muslim States, every Muslim
nation united militarily, politically, economically controlling a good supply of the world's oil.
That is the goal, this caliphate, for the Brotherhood, for Iran, whether they're Shia, Sunni, Al-
Qaeda, this is what they want. And if they join forces, Sid, they will control a good chunk of the
world's oil supply. That's very bad for us here in the West.
SID: You know, we're hearing all of these things. As far as I'm concerned, Israel and America
are in the same boat, and it's not an accident. Jews and Christians are in the same boat, and it's
not an accident. I see this as God's greatest moment. And I'm going to give you a supernatural
solution for yourself, for your family, for your city. It's Psalm 122, Verse 6, which says, "Pray
for the peace of Jerusalem." The word "peace" in Hebrew, shalom, can mean "completeness".
What is the completeness of Jerusalem? Jew and Gentile. One in Jesus, one in Yeshua, one in
Messiah. But it goes on. It says, "Pray for the completeness of Jerusalem. They shall prosper that
love them." In the Hebrew, the word "prosper" means more than money can buy. It means "heart
peace". God promises to you that if you will pray for the completeness and safety of Jerusalem,
God will give you heart peace. I'm not worried about Israel. I'm very concerned about the United
States and the rest of the world, because God says, "I will bless those who bless the Jewish
people" and if you're blessing the Jewish people, a thousand can fall at your left hand, 10,000 at
your right hand. But the Word of God says, it will not come near you. "Pray for the peace of
Jerusalem. Thou shall prosper. Thou shall have heart peace that love thee."
